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Edelman Digital’s latest London recruit is Robin Hamman, Director of Digital. Robin’s career has seen him work in mobile, as an Executive Producer for Granada at ITV and as a head of social media. As well as this, Robin has worked for the BBC (twice!).
A Non-Residential Fellow at Stanford’s Center for Internet and Society and a Visiting Fellow in the Department of Journalism at City University, London, Robin has had articles published in several books which focus on community and social research.
Matt Churchill: How did a former Non-Residential Fellow at Stanford’s Center for Internet and Society find himself in leafy St. Albans?
Robin Hamman: The project I did, as part of my non-residential fellowship, was aimed at raising the awareness of how libel law could potentially impact upon bloggers and other users of social media. It seemed the natural thing to do after I finished a part-time law degree whilst working at the BBC, where I saw hundreds of examples of participants in online discussions posting content that could land them with a massive legal bill – which would be a real quick way to get a legal education. Thankfully, there are now moves to rationalise libel law in the UK which is tipped much more in the favour of the person or organisation making the complaint than it is in many other countries, leading to the rise of what some have termed “libel tourism” – basically, people who normally reside in other countries coming to the UK to file libel claims.
MC: You’ve worked twice for the BBC in different roles, what did you do and how did each job differ?
RH: The first time around, I was one of maybe 50 people who worked online at the Corporation and was one of the first two “online community” specialists – this was back in late 1998, before we called it social media. The BBC, like most organisations getting their toes wet in social media at the time, or even today, was very nervous. Our editorial policy team, for example, took quite a long time to be convinced that not everyone who posts should have to use their real first name and surname when they did so. We were able to, however, find out way through the nervousness and launched a range of massively successful propositions, including message board based communities and a live chat service. There were no platforms or policies in place before we started, so it really was early days.
I left the BBC for a few years, first to join a wireless start up that had a service very similar to Twitter but many years too far ahead of it’s time, and later at ITV. Eventually I ended up back at the Corporation and, in terms of internet and social media, it was a dramatically changed place. There were nearly a thousand people working on the website, for example, and at least a dozen people with jobs almost exclusively related to social media – and that’s not including the large moderation team that helped keep things safe and legal. There was still some nervousness about social media, but also pockets of innovation that would spring up out of nowhere. In my final act at the BBC, I ended up growing the BBC’s initial trial with blogging into a full blown service, with around 100 blogs when I left and unique visitor numbers of around 7 million a month. That was hugely exciting.
MC: Given the close ties you have with the BBC’s digital offering, what have you made of the recent website layout changes which incorporate more sociable features?
RH: There were, even as far back as 5 or 6 years ago, those of us within the BBC who thought that, rather than always trying to provide social media spaces for audiences, sometimes we should simply monitor and reflect the best content people were creating on the web. This sort of aggregation approach came with reduced costs and risks for the BBC, but also made a lot of sense to audiences, some of which preferred to participate around a programme brand away from the branded, and fairly heavily controlled, environments we could provide. I love seeing more linking, aggregation and opportunities to share on BBC websites – it’s what audiences want and, to some extent, helps validate what some of us pushed for, for a long time.
MC: What motivated you to become part of the Edelman team?
RH: Social media is rapidly moving towards the centre of forward thinking businesses and organisations. Whereas it used to be a fringe activity, perhaps a small viral advertising campaign or an attempt to monitor and engage with key influencers on third party social media websites, it’s increasingly becoming possible to align social media with wider business processes and practices. That is, social media is now making it possible for customers and stakeholders to become involved in business processes, such as product and service innovation, co-creation, and customer service.
There are great opportunities for those at the centre of this revolution – people with strong communications skills – but it also requires great business acumen, with a deep understanding of the strategy, goals and ambitions of the business. Reading through some of the thought leadership pieces, such as the Trust Barometer, and writing by David Brain and Robert Phillips, made me realise that Edelman was observing the same thing I was – Communications becoming more central, and increasingly driving organisational change. That’s exactly what I’d been doing with social media so we had some conversations and here I am today.
MC: What does your day-to-day job involve?
RH: I have the pleasure of working out how to align social behaviours online with the business objects of our clients. I say it that way around, putting the behaviours first, because I think it’s important to understand how audiences, consumers and stakeholders wish to be engaged with online before it’s really possible to come up with great ideas to help harness that. Getting it right in social media requires the deliberate creation of meaningful participatory frameworks that help people, and businesses, achieve something together. Their motivations and goals might be different, but that doesn’t mean the engagement can’t be positive for both.
MC: What do you see as the main opportunity for brands as social media and digital culture evolves?
RH: I think there is a massive opportunity for organisations to improve the way they communicate internally, and collaborate behind the firewall, using social media – and then linking this up with the social media engagements they’re having with customers and stakeholders.
MC: In your recent Reputation Online guest post you said that “Not everyone is a natural communicator, nor can every member of staff be expected to feel comfortable participating socially online.” Do you think this is likely to change over time and what do you perceive to be the impact on the comms industry in either case?
RH: We’re still in the early days with social media, although increasingly, people entering the workforce have social media skills that will be useful in their professional lives in future. So yes, I think more people can be expected to understand the value of social media to businesses, but I don’t think we’ll ever see a situation where it’s something that absolutely everyone wants to do. Compelling people to do something they don’t want to do is rarely a good idea, regardless of the industry.
MC: And finally, what’s your tech tip for the next 12 months?
RH: People have already spent time and effort building a presence on social networking platforms, so engaging there, rather than trying to build awareness of, and audiences for, entirely new propositions is going to become increasingly difficult for a lot of brands. For this reason, I think the idea of “digital embassies”, where brands and organisations set up shop on third party networking platforms where there are already large audiences, will gain a lot of traction this year.
I’m also starting to see a lot of businesses thinking about how they can create a wider interface between consumers and stakeholders outside the business with people inside the business. There are already some great examples of crowdsourcing initiatives, where audiences get involved directly in business or organisational processes that were previously hidden from view. We’re going to see a lot more of these over the coming year, with measurable results.
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